Comments on: the shaving trap http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/ Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:12:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Aldon http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7771 Aldon Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:29:12 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7771 Two things: 1. Beards in school and 2. Beards in the food industry Kellen D, Are you in the USA? Your school sounds like it's run by a group of Nazis. I was in Hi School in the late 60's to early 70's and I thought we had a strick dress code but they never made us shave peach fuzz in Jr Hi. My last year in Hi School they changed the "dress code" due to a law suit and "BANG" over night we had beards, long hair and hippie clothes. About beards in the work place: I worked in a hospital dietary department. Our manager asked for suggestions for revamping the department dress code. I suggested that people like myself that worked in the food "storeroom" where food was containerized should not have to wear beard-nets since there was no chance of exposing the food to facial hair. He agreed and the code was changed. I can see the need to "wear a net" when you are near open food because ... who wants to find a hair of any origion in their food ... especially finding it after you put it in your mouth. But, making you shave ... unacceptable!!! Two things:
1. Beards in school and
2. Beards in the food industry

Kellen D, Are you in the USA? Your school sounds like it’s run by a group of Nazis.

I was in Hi School in the late 60’s to early 70’s and I thought we had a strick dress code but they never made us shave peach fuzz in Jr Hi.

My last year in Hi School they changed the “dress code” due to a law suit and “BANG” over night we had beards, long hair and hippie clothes.

About beards in the work place:

I worked in a hospital dietary department. Our manager asked for suggestions for revamping the department dress code.

I suggested that people like myself that worked in the food “storeroom” where food was containerized should not have to wear beard-nets since there was no chance of exposing the food to facial hair.

He agreed and the code was changed.

I can see the need to “wear a net” when you are near open food because … who wants to find a hair of any origion in their food … especially finding it after you put it in your mouth.

But, making you shave … unacceptable!!!

]]> By: Steve (not Beardguy) http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7769 Steve (not Beardguy) Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:00:18 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7769 About beards and food service: I've seen bearded food-service workers wearing beard nets that loop around behind the ears. Some rules in the workplace are used to satisfy the need for the appearance of harmony. That basic, human need is not always bad. Nonetheless, an employer's control can feel uncomfortable sometimes. Then, a man can choose to be content for a time for good reasons, or he can choose to take risks to move toward a likely better situation. About beards and food service: I’ve seen bearded food-service workers wearing beard nets that loop around behind the ears.

Some rules in the workplace are used to satisfy the need for the appearance of harmony. That basic, human need is not always bad. Nonetheless, an employer’s control can feel uncomfortable sometimes. Then, a man can choose to be content for a time for good reasons, or he can choose to take risks to move toward a likely better situation.

]]> By: Steve (not Beardguy) http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7768 Steve (not Beardguy) Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:18:11 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7768 Kellen D, It sounds like you're stuck under that system for a while longer. I've found electric shaving much better than wet shaving, whether to shave over my throat (nowadays) or more (at various times over the years). Also, my electric shavers have paid for themselves compared to the yearly cost of disposable blades and shaving cream. If you got an electric shaver, your skin would have a better time, making it easier for you to tolerate the system until you're free from it. At the risk of alienating you and the other readers in similar situations, I'll add that it might be good to count this experience as low-risk practice for coping with the irrationally petty systems some of us grown-ups also get stuck under from time to time until we can free ourselves. Kellen D,

It sounds like you’re stuck under that system for a while longer. I’ve found electric shaving much better than wet shaving, whether to shave over my throat (nowadays) or more (at various times over the years). Also, my electric shavers have paid for themselves compared to the yearly cost of disposable blades and shaving cream.

If you got an electric shaver, your skin would have a better time, making it easier for you to tolerate the system until you’re free from it. At the risk of alienating you and the other readers in similar situations, I’ll add that it might be good to count this experience as low-risk practice for coping with the irrationally petty systems some of us grown-ups also get stuck under from time to time until we can free ourselves.

]]> By: Kellen D http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7747 Kellen D Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:12:47 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7747 If myself have been caught in the "shaving trap" before, but at my high school if you so much as have peach fuzz, you are forced to sign a paper argeeing that you have violated the school's dress code then, you must go into the bathroom with a plastic single blade razor and barbasol to shave, and just imagine the humiliation of walking back into class with your neck and face bleeding like hell. And if two of these violations are made you are assigned a D-hall, possibly a saturday class, and if you refuse to shave then you are sent to AC(Alternitive Center) to attend school for a temporary or even permenant amount of time. Now I'm only 16 and have had facial hair since seventh grade and, now in tenth grade, my beard grows twice as fast. I avoid shaving most of the time because of serious breakouts on my neck and face I recieve from shaving and plus I just love having a beard. The school says the shaving rule is for "secruity reasons", thinking that if some students have facial hair, people will mistake them for teachers or perhaps that they are someone tresspassing on the school grounds. Both of these reasons can be proven as BS by the following, the teachers are required to ware ID tags with their picture and stating they are employed by the district, and even so the teachers and principles ,which by the way we have 6 countem' 6 principles, should recongzine most of the students and trust me they know the kids with hair because they watch us constanly telling us to shave, and I'm fed up with this S!*#t. If myself have been caught in the “shaving trap” before, but at my high school if you so much as have peach fuzz, you are forced to sign a paper argeeing that you have violated the school’s dress code then, you must go into the bathroom with a plastic single blade razor and barbasol to shave, and just imagine the humiliation of walking back into class with your neck and face bleeding like hell. And if two of these violations are made you are assigned a D-hall, possibly a saturday class, and if you refuse to shave then you are sent to AC(Alternitive Center) to attend school for a temporary or even permenant amount of time. Now I’m only 16 and have had facial hair since seventh grade and, now in tenth grade, my beard grows twice as fast. I avoid shaving most of the time because of serious breakouts on my neck and face I recieve from shaving and plus I just love having a beard. The school says the shaving rule is for “secruity reasons”, thinking that if some students have facial hair, people will mistake them for teachers or perhaps that they are someone tresspassing on the school grounds. Both of these reasons can be proven as BS by the following, the teachers are required to ware ID tags with their picture and stating they are employed by the district, and even so the teachers and principles ,which by the way we have 6 countem’ 6 principles, should recongzine most of the students and trust me they know the kids with hair because they watch us constanly telling us to shave, and I’m fed up with this S!*#t.

]]> By: thamimun http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7001 thamimun Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:00:11 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-7001 i am 28 years old man, but my beard and mustache not grow,how i grow a beard and mustache,pls mail for some tips i am 28 years old man, but my beard and mustache not grow,how i grow a beard and mustache,pls mail for some tips

]]> By: joel http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6439 joel Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:28:03 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6439 im in middle school and i im 14 i have no facial hair yet but everybody is being forced to shave that not right im in middle school and i im 14 i have no facial hair yet but everybody is being forced to shave that not right

]]> By: Chris http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6362 Chris Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:04:33 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6362 If you were Amish or Muslim your employer would find himself in trouble so why should you not have the same rights. grow your beard. If it is clean and tidy there should be no legit reason to complain If you were Amish or Muslim your employer would find himself in trouble so why should you not have the same rights. grow your beard. If it is clean and tidy there should be no legit reason to complain

]]> By: OHIO JOHN http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6217 OHIO JOHN Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:37:09 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-6217 Cole , I too dont think its fair that one should has to "shave " to work in food service . Its not like bearded men are any dirtier than other clean shaven men . Unless a mans beard is more than 4 ft long and dragging into the product . I dont see a problem with it . What about the man that makes your pizza or any other carry-out ? - no one see them [ the public ] - Why would having a beard matter ? I think its just another trumped up health dept issue - My worry is other things that cooks put in the food - I think that is the bigger worry here - Not beards - Ohio John Cole , I too dont think its fair that one should has to “shave ” to work in food service . Its not like bearded men are any dirtier than other clean shaven men . Unless a mans beard is more than 4 ft long and dragging into the product . I dont see a problem with it . What about the man that makes your pizza or any other carry-out ? - no one see them [ the public ] - Why would having a beard matter ? I think its just another trumped up health dept issue - My worry is other things that cooks put in the food - I think that is the bigger worry here - Not beards - Ohio John

]]> By: Alex http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-5845 Alex Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:39:46 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-5845 I've been able to grow a beard for a few years now. I'm a senior in highschool and I've also been struggling with such an outrageous situation. My father (once the crazy hippie with long hair and a wild beard) is now a highschool teacher. He is anything, but what he claims he was. Often times I feel his stories are just amusing tales to manipulate my view of him. And boy has he! Every week I get the usual "Shave that sh*t off your face. How does that reflect on your parents? Its not right.". As far as I know, the presence of hair has nothing to do with morals. Nor do people judge my parents accordingly. I truly hate speaking out about this. When I do, people just conclude its my rebellious age. I don't think so. It's hard to understand their possition. You see, I have two older brothers who lived their entire highschool experience accompanied with their trusty beard. Once I was given the oppertunity to further my education, everything changed. Perhaps they're so close-minded to suspect they've failed with the other two- and now its time to fix everything with their final child. Perhaps I'll be the perfect represenative son? I don't mind if it works out that way. I just want to keep my beard. I’ve been able to grow a beard for a few years now. I’m a senior in highschool and I’ve also been struggling with such an outrageous situation. My father (once the crazy hippie with long hair and a wild beard) is now a highschool teacher. He is anything, but what he claims he was. Often times I feel his stories are just amusing tales to manipulate my view of him. And boy has he! Every week I get the usual “Shave that sh*t off your face. How does that reflect on your parents? Its not right.”. As far as I know, the presence of hair has nothing to do with morals. Nor do people judge my parents accordingly. I truly hate speaking out about this. When I do, people just conclude its my rebellious age. I don’t think so.

It’s hard to understand their possition. You see, I have two older brothers who lived their entire highschool experience accompanied with their trusty beard. Once I was given the oppertunity to further my education, everything changed. Perhaps they’re so close-minded to suspect they’ve failed with the other two- and now its time to fix everything with their final child. Perhaps I’ll be the perfect represenative son? I don’t mind if it works out that way. I just want to keep my beard.

]]> By: Cole http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-5819 Cole Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:01:57 +0000 http://blog.beards.org/2006/09/16/the-shaving-trap/#comment-5819 I've worked in restaurants for a long time. The beard trap has got my face in its ugly cage. The policy states that I can have neatly trimmed facial hair. However, I had to have already had it before I started. Of course I shaved to look "presentable" for the interview, and now I feel trapped. I've been trying to think of a "legitimate" reason to grow it out at work, as if being a man isn't good enough! I was thinking of telling them I was turning Amish or Muslim but I don't think they'll buy it. I should get into a new line of work I guess. I’ve worked in restaurants for a long time. The beard trap has got my face in its ugly cage. The policy states that I can have neatly trimmed facial hair. However, I had to have already had it before I started. Of course I shaved to look “presentable” for the interview, and now I feel trapped. I’ve been trying to think of a “legitimate” reason to grow it out at work, as if being a man isn’t good enough! I was thinking of telling them I was turning Amish or Muslim but I don’t think they’ll buy it. I should get into a new line of work I guess.

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